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Interview with His Excellency Bishop Rifan of Campos, Brazil

...by Mary Alexander

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On July 31st I had the pleasure of sitting down with His Excellency Bishop Rifan of Campos, Brazil and administrator of the Society of St. John Vianney to ask him some questions about the Motu Proprio promulgated by the Holy Father on July 7th, 2007.

His Excellency was very gracious and I would like to express my appreciation for his time and his insights into the important questions facing the Church and her subjects at this pivotal time in history.

1. The freedom for the Latin Mass, that the Pope has just expressed with the Motu Proprio, is a freedom that you have been living in your homeland of Brazil. In your opinion what are the fruits that we can expect to see from this event?


It’s all written there and I’m glad. We have been waiting for a long time. This is good for the Church. The Pope calls the Mass a rich treasure for the Church and it is meant for the life and defense of the Church. The intention of the Pope was liturgical peace and a cessation of fighting. The persecuted [those who said the Latin Mass] were not at peace. The Traditional Latin Mass was persecuted and now there is peace.

The Pope said that he was suffering with this in his life and throughout his life. The prohibition of the TLM never happened; the prohibition of a Rite in use for centuries in the Church could not happen. Since it was not offered, in effect it was forbidden.

The Pope wants the two rites to benefit one other. As an example the Traditional Latin Mass can benefit from Readings in the vernacular. The New Rite profits by learning respect, adoration and a deepened spiritual life. It is not only the Mass but also the circumstance and behavior of the people, the sermon, the bearing of the Faithful in church, the dress of the Faithful in Church. Today it is different- there is too much liberty. We don’t understand the difference between the profound and the sacred when it comes to music. We confuse what can occur in the Parish Hall with what can occur in Church. For example, there should be no clapping in Church.

The Pope has encouraged not only the Latin Mass but personal parishes for the Mass and all the Sacraments to be available in the Old Rite.


2. How can the prejudice against the Latin Mass be overcome on the part of those who think it is harmful to the life of the Church?

The Modernists are afraid. Now the Traditional Mass and the Ordinary Form of the Mass are of the same rank. The Moderns fear that this is an attack on the authority of the Bishop, the New Rite, the Authority of the Reform, and Vatican II.

The Pope has explained in the Motu .Proprio that these things are not in question. The Holy Father establishes the authority of the Bishop. The Holy Father questioned the modernists use of the liturgy, their interpretation of the Council. This is a good fear because the reform has been used to justify abuses.

3. The statement has been made that what the Church needs now are “Saints” and not “Reformers” in terms of obedience to the Holy Father. Can you elaborate on that especially in regard to the obligation of the laity?

This was a statement by Pope John Paul II. “Reformers” were Luther, Calvin, Henry VII. The Saints were St. John of the Cross, St. Ignatius of Loyala, and St. Therese.

First you must become a saint and second you will become a reformer by becoming a saint! We can benefit from the Traditional Latin Mass which is for our sanctification, by means of the liturgy.

4. Do you think the new Vatican document published by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on the One, True Church was meant to be a check on false ecumenism?

Yes! People didn’t understand the phrase: “Ecclesia Christi subsistit in Ecclesia Catholica” was used. (This Church - namely the sole Church of Christ - subsists in the Catholic Church).

Subsistit means the same as “is”. Subsistit is a philosophical term used by Thomas Aquinas . According to Thomas Aquinas “subsistit” can only be one, unique existence.

Many things have common elements. For example a plant has life, even a (material) soul. An animal has a (material) soul. While animals and plants share some elements of a human being, namely life and a soul , still humanity subsists only in a human being.

In Protestantism there are some good elements. For example the Protestants have the Bible. This is good. Protestants love Jesus. This is good. They may have good elements that prepare them to hear the Gospel and that prepare them to enter the Catholic Church.

Ecclesia Christis subsistit in the Roman Catholic Church.

5. We are beginning a project to develop a website and data base on the internet so that Catholics can search for a Latin Mass near them. Can you give us your blessing for this project?

“Don’t be afraid of the Traditional Latin Mass”

“Don’t be afraid of Christ”

“ He takes nothing and He gives everything”

“This is a good work. Don’t be afraid.”

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Comments (3)

maynardus :

Bishop Rifan has set a wonderful example which has done a great deal to prepare the way for the Motu Proprio. He has been called the "bridge builder" which is quite apropos. Even many traditionally-oriented Catholics are unaware of his efforts outside of Brazil and South America, particularly in the U.S., Europe, and the U.K. Ad Multos Annos!

This is an awesome service you are providing! I'm telling everyone I know, and I put you on my blog. Congratulations on a great site and prayers for your success.

Thomas McDonough :

Just a year ago, we were hoping to get an Apostolic Administration for the United States set up like the one in Brazil which is headed by Bishop Rifan. Everyone thought this would be great. Yet for a priest to say the Traditional Mass he would have to leave his area and become attached to another bishop, in effect localizing the movement. Little did we know then what was in store for us. The arrangement detailed in the Motu Proprio is so much better. Now every diocese can have the Mass if just one priest can be found to say it. Now in theory every parish can have a Traditional Mass.

It’s nice to see that Bishop Rifan is still in the Good Fight and calls the enemies of God what Saint Pius X called them: Modernists. His zeal is encouraging.

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