Cyprian :

Oh well, I'm always a little behind.
This arrangement poses some interesting issues. First, is it kosher to enter into a contract with the bishop, sacraments in exchange for dollars? Second, can you trust him, knowing that he doesn't care for you and the old Mass? And third, how much can you give to an American bishop, in good conscience, knowing that he foists sex-ed and heresy on children?

As usual, you traditionalsits are inaccurate in your assesment, inadequate in your knowledge and pinned down by your lack of creativity. If you were REAL Catholics, you would ask the kind bishop for a thorough and complete price list for all rites recognized as valid by The Holy Catholic Church. Maybe you could find a bargian and switch to that right ... AND QUIT COMPLAINING! I mean REALLY!

You want Tradition? Some of the rites listed below have been unchanged for hundreds and hundreds of years for pete's sake! Most of the respected clergy involved with Vatican II probably did not even know these rites existed, let alone want to change them.

Dear Bishop Richard Malone,
What's the price for:

The Anglican Use Rite? Since the 1980s the Holy See has granted some former Anglican and Episcopal clergy converting with their parishes the faculty of celebrating the sacramental rites according to Anglican forms, doctrinally corrected.

Mozarabic Rite? – The Rite of the Iberian peninsula (Spain and Portugal) known from at least the 6th century, but probably with roots to the original evangelization. Beginning in the 11th century it was generally replaced by the Roman Rite, although it has remained the Rite of the Cathedral of the Archdiocese of Toledo, Spain, and six parishes which sought permission to adhere to it. Its celebration today is generally semi–private.

The Ambrosian Rite? – The Rite of the Archdiocese of Milan, Italy, thought to be of early origin and probably consolidated, but not originated, by St. Ambrose. Pope Paul VI was from this Roman Rite. It continues to be celebrated in Milan, though not by all parishes.
The Bragan Rite? – Rite of the Archdiocese of Braga, the Primatial See of Portugal, it derives from the 12th century or earlier. It continues to be of occasional use.
The Dominican Rite – Rite of the Order of Friars Preacher (OP), founded by St. Dominic in 1215.
The Carmelite? – Rite of the Order of Carmel, whose modern foundation was by St. Berthold c.1154.
The Carthusian? – Rite of the Carthusian Order founded by St. Bruno in 1084.

1. WEST SYRIAC
• Maronite – Never separated from Rome. Maronite Patriarch of Antioch. The liturgical language is Aramaic. The 3 million Maronites are found in Lebanon (origin), Cyprus, Egypt, Syria, Israel, Canada, US, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and Australia.
• Syriac – Syriac Catholics who returned to Rome in 1781 from the monophysite heresy. Syriac Patriarch of Antioch. The 110,000 Syriac Catholics are found in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, Canada and the US.
• Malankarese – Catholics from the South of India evangelized by St. Thomas, uses the West Syriac liturgy. Reunited with Rome in 1930. Liturgical languages today are West Syriac and Malayalam. The 350,000 Malankarese Catholics are found in India and North America.

2. EAST SYRIAC
• Chaldean – Babylonian Catholics returned to Rome in 1692 from the Nestorian heresy. Patriarch of Babylon of the Chaldeans. Liturgical languages are Syriac and Arabic. The 310,000 Chaldean Catholics are found in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Turkey and the US.
• Syro–Malabarese – Catholics from Southern India using the East Syriac liturgy. Returned to Rome in the 16th century from the Nestorian heresy. Liturgical languages are Syriac and Malayalam. Over 3 million Syro–Malabarese Catholics can be found in the state of Kerela, in SW India.

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BYZANTINE FAMILY OF LITURGICAL RITES
The Church of Constantinople became the political and religious center of the eastern Roman Empire after the Emperor Constantine built a new capital there (324–330) on the site of the ancient town of Byzantium. Constantinople developed its own liturgical rite from the Liturgy of St. James, in one form as modified by St. Basil, and in a more commonly used form, as modified by St. John Chrysostom. After 1054, except for brief periods of reunion, most Byzantine Christians have not been in communion with Rome. They make up the Orthodox Churches of the East, whose titular head is the Patriarch of Constantinople. The Orthodox Churches are mostly auto–cephalous, meaning self–headed, united to each other by communion with Constantinople, which exercises no real authority over them. They are typically divided into Churches along nation lines. Those that have returned to communion with the Holy See are represented among the Eastern Churches and Rites of the Catholic Church.

1. ARMENIAN
Considered either its own Rite or an older version of the Byzantine. Its exact form is not used by any other Byzantine Rite. It is composed of Catholics from the first people to convert as a nation, the Armenians (N.E. of Turkey), and who returned to Rome at the time of the Crusades. Patriarch of Cilicia of the Armenians. The liturgical language is classical Armenian. The 350,000 Armenian Catholics are found in Armenia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, Greece, Ukraine, France, Romania, United States and Argentina. Most Armenians are Orthodox, not in union with Rome.

2. BYZANTINE
• Albanian – Albanian Christians, numbering only 1400 today, who resumed communion with Rome in 1628. Liturgical language is Albanian. Most Albanian Christians are Albanian Orthodox.
• Belarussian/Byelorussian – Unknown number of Belarussians who returned to Rome in the 17th century. The liturgical language is Old Slavonic. The faithful can be found in Belarus, as well as Europe, the Americas and Australia.
• Bulgarian – Bulgarians who returned to Rome in 1861. Liturgical language is Old Slavonic. The 20,000 faithful can be found in Bulgaria. Most Bulgarian Christians are Bulgarian Orthodox.
• Czech – Czech Catholics of Byzantine Rite organized into a jurisdiction in 1996.
• Krizevci – Croatian Catholics of Byzantine Rite who resumed communion with Rome in 1611. The liturgical language is Old Slavonic. The 50,000 faithful can be found in Croatia and the Americas. Most Croatians are Roman (Rite) Catholics.
• Greek – Greek Christians who returned to Rome in 1829. The liturgical language is Greek. Only 2500 faithful in Greece, Asia Minor (Turkey) and Europe. Greek Christians are almost all Orthodox, whose Patriarch is the Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople.
• Hungarian – Descendants of Ruthenians who returned to Rome in 1646. The liturgical languages are Greek, Hungarian and English. The 300,000 faithful are found in Hungary, Europe and the Americas.
• Italo–Albanian – Never separated from Rome, these 60,000 Byzantine Rite Catholics are found in Italy, Sicily and the Americas. The liturgical languages are Greek and Italo–Albanian.
• Melkite – Catholics from among those separated from Rome in Syria and Egypt who resumed Communion with Rome at the time of the Crusades. However, definitive union only came in the 18th century. Melkite Greek Patriarch of Damascus. Liturgical languages are Greek, Arabic, English, Portuguese and Spanish. The over 1 million Melkite Catholics can be found in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, Canada, US, Mexico, Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina and Australia.
• Romanian – Romanians who returned to Rome in 1697. The liturgical language is Romanian. There are over 1 million Romanian Catholics in Romania, Europe and the Americas. Most Romanian Christians are Romanian Orthodox.
• Russian – Russians who returned to communion with Rome in 1905. The liturgical language is Old Slavonic. An unknown number of the faithful in Russia, China, the Americas and Australia. Most Russian Christians are Russian Orthodox, whose Patriarch is the Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow.
• Ruthenian – Catholics from among those separated from Rome in Russia, Hungary and Croatia who reunited with Rome in 1596 (Brest–Litovsk) and 1646 (Uzhorod).
• Slovak – Byzantine Rite Catholics of Slovakian origin numbering 225,000 and found in Slovakia and Canada.
• Ukrainian – Catholics from among those separated from Rome by the Greek Schism and reunited about 1595. Patriarch or Metropolitan of Lviv. Liturgical languages are Old Slavonic and the vernacular. The 5.5 million Ukrainian Catholics can be found in Ukraine, Poland, England, Germany, France, Canada, US, Brazil, Argentina and Australia. During the Soviet era Ukrainian Catholics were violently forced to join the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. Their hierarchy, which continued to exist outside the homeland, has since been re–established in Ukraine.

ALEXANDRIAN FAMILY OF LITURGICAL RITES
The Church of Alexandria in Egypt was one of the original centers of Christianity, since like Rome and Antioch it had a large Jewish population which was the initial object of apostolic evangelization. Its Liturgy is attributed to St. Mark the Evangelist, and shows the later influence of the Byzantine Liturgy, in addition to its unique elements.

• Coptic – Egyptian Catholics who returned to communion with Rome in 1741. The Patriarch of Alexandria leads the 200,000 faithful of this ritual Church spread throughout Egypt and the Near East. The liturgical languages are Coptic (Egyptian) and Arabic. Most Copts are not Catholics.

• Ethiopian/Abyssinian – Ethiopian Coptic Christians who returned to Rome in 1846. The liturgical language is Geez. The 200,000 faithful are found in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, and Jerusalem.

By the was, It was ME, your old friend, Pius V, that allowed these Rites to exist after I codified what you call The Traditional Latin Mass! But NOOOOOOO. Do I ever get any appreciation for that? The best I got was a group of schismatics who named their congration after me in the 20 Century. Thanks a lot!!

I let these other Rites exist because I figured at some point, a bunch of pot smoking liberals might come along and try to jazz things up. Ever hear of Quo Primum? Well, they blew that away in a hurry.

Now you have the Mass of Saint Paul the IV which morphed into the NOVUS ORDO? What kind of name is that? The NEW ORDER? It sounds like somthing you would order at McDonalds!

PV: I would like to order a Novus Ordo to go."

McD's: "Would you like fries with that?"

PV:"Yea, and SURPER-SIZE me."

Cyprian :

Pius, thanks for the detailed overview of the traditional rites. I have friends who went over to eastern rites. I'd consider it if I couldn't find your Missal used nearby. I know of eastern rite bishops who have spoken out against classroom sex-ed, and I wouldn't want to lump them in with our Latin rite defilers.

Let us know if you get a reply from Bp. Malone. We'll post the price list!

Cyprian :

"I like the solution. Let the people who really want this, support it ..." Thanks, Fr. Z.

I'm overwhelmed by pastoral solicitude. Families all over, for decades, have been driving hours to go to Mass, and have made generous donations they can barely afford. What a slap in the face!

This is pastoral abuse, folks. The bishops know which Catholics read the catechism, especially the part about the Precepts of the Church. Even Rembert Weakland in Milwaukee understood that the color of the Latin Mass is green. Pray for Bp. Malone.

Is there any way to help them come up with the money?

Cyprian :

Dear Dymphna,

According to the letter from Fr. Robert A. Parent, who will be the chaplain:

We have established an account at TD Banknorth in Lewiston that will be used exclusively for the Chaplaincy. Contributions to the Chaplaincy should be made by check payable to "St Gregory (the Great) Latin Mass Chaplaincy" and sent to the following address: Latin Mass Chaplaincy, Department of Ministerial Services, P.O. Box 11559, Portland, Maine 04104.

You may want to verify this information before sending money.

Here's an idea, forget the heretical, worthless Bishop Malone. The man is actively working to destroy our holy Faith. Pius V granted absolute permission to celebrate the Tridentine Rite, and little mr. Bp. Malone has nothing to say about it. Celebrate the Latin Mass in all it's glory, and don't worry about the apostate bishop. It's our right as Catholics, so no, no money, under any circumstance should be given to that wolf in sheep's clothing. Why? Just find a place, build a shelter in the woods, whatever, and shine the light of tradition throughout Maine.
I'm in Iraq now, fighting a different fight, but you guys need to put this straight. Semper Fidelis, and God bless!

Cyprian :

Hey Polock! Thanks for chiming in from Iraq. Thanks for your service - we've gotten ourselves in a real mess over there, and we're praying for a resolution.

If you get a chance, let us know more about the Catholic situation over there. I suspect you can't get to an Iraqi church. We've read about the priests martyred for the Faith.

So, you think Catholics over here should get tough and fight for the Faith and the Mass? Naw! That wouldn't be nice. We'd be called disobedient! Schismatic! How dare we keep the Faith and Liturgy if the bishop wants it eradicated!

Semper Fi. Keep your scapular on!

Hey Cyprian, Thanks for you support. In point of fact, despite what the media wants you to believe, we're winning this Iraq war. Counterinsurgeny warfare is something that we're fairly new at, but are quickly mastering. As far as Catholicism over there, it's pretty rare. One of the Iraqi troops that I worked with was Catholic, but he was very unusual. As far as Catholicism amongst the troops, well, let's just say that in our entire regiment, (close to 10,000 Marines spread across the whole of the Al Anbar province) we had three Catholic chaplains, all novus ordo, and one of them got discharged and shipped back stateside for being gay. I saw a priest twice in the whole deployment, and I was one of three in the whole company that cared. So our hierarchy has managed to get our Holy Mother Church relegated to complete irrelavance in the modern world. People are dying without any hope of the sacraments over there because of our weak hierarchy.
So, should we get tough about tradition? Well, I've seen men die and come close myself to dying without a priest within 100 miles, that from the same Church that field priests to every company to storm a beach in WWII, priests to die alongside the soldiers they served, desperate to get their souls to heaven. So yes,I've seen up close and personal the darkness that's caused by their idiocy, so yes, it's time to rise up, throw the usurpers out of their complacent stupor, and take over the reigns of tradition. Yes, the hierarchy is necessary, no we don't have the authority to go schismatic and act outside their jurisdiction, but Pope's before have foreseen the situation and have already paved our path, our own Pope has given us this right, so we're not acting unilaterally. Is it time to get tough? It was time 30 years ago, now it's time for war. It's our Lady's fight, and we have to fight for her.